all 8,000+) where Relics are 'useless' but if I'm going to bother with them at all. I'm probably at the point in my current Trans (now HZE 151,000+, Atman/Bub/Chron/Dog/Dora, etc. Actually, Christmas Present relics are leveled to whatever level you are at when you open them. and these are using christmas present relics (meaning they're the highest possible relics). Skill ancients are still giving increased time past 4000, and well into the 6000-8000+ levels Note: I am no mathmatician, I am also no "pro" at the game, but this seems to be the opinion of a few youtubers and reditors.Įdit: 4000 levels is when you max out the following: Atman, Bubos, Chronos, Dogcog, Fortuna, Kuma and Revolc If you're at the stage where you need relics for your Atman, Bubos, Kuma etc, then its worthwhile to level up their Outsider Counterparts, as the higher you go, the more useless the relics become (and skill relics still give INSANE time increasements, meaning I can leave the game open and step away, and it still continues) I guess its all in the eye of the beholder, but this is currently my Outsider AS I have also found upgrading relics is useless too, even at 4.00e8 Forge Cores. However, it does no change that once we get to 150,000+, that relics are indeed quite useless, as you get close to infinite skill timers, and the non-skill 'super' ancients (I.e Kuma, Chronos, Bubos), stop at a certain level (you can try this yourself) Relics for 'super' non-skill ancients (Aka Bubos, Atman, Kuma etc) do +0 for me, and these are using christmas present relics (meaning they're the highest possible relics), which is why I suggested Kelptos + Sniperino.īubos, Atman etc also have a cap on their effectiveness until you put more AS into their Outsider Counterpart (I believe it's around 5000 levels, Revolc and Kuma is definitely lower at around 3000-4000 levels) This may change as I get into even higher levels. Therefore, I ended up focusing my Relics boost on those same Outsiders that I find myself needing to level to get to higher zones. I have not encountered any need to further both the other new Ancients beyond my initial level for them. I found in my game that I needed to spend more AS on getting K'Ariqua (Bubos boost) leveled with Rhagiest (Atman boost) a somewhat distant second. I focus my Ancient leveling on the rest (Juggernaut/Pluto/Frags/Bhaal for gold/damge (also Fortuna/DogCog to a lesser extent for just gold) and then Atman/Bubos/Chronos/DogCog/Dora/Kuma for handling/offsetting the ever increasing/scaling numbers that are encountered in the higher levels. So, I have those Ancients leveled enought to give me long enough active time of their respective skills and then stopped leveling. So, what I found is that haveing long running active skills (Sniperino, Hecatonchier, Berserker) do not really help as I reach a point where I really don't progress anymore and my corresponding skills are still active. I definitely agree that some number of AS should be held in reserve to put into the new Outsiders as you find that you need them. The first one was essentially getting orientated to the new structure of things. My approach and experience is a little different. The above is assuming you stacked your outsiders correctly, and leave enough AS to put into the new outsiders where and when you need them. Mr.Zyrael a écrit :Kleptos + Sniperino till late end game (around 5000 AS per Trans), after that, relics get pretty useless.
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